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September 2003
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September 2003
Maxum Sports Yacht Owner Group
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US Marine's New President:
1999 4100 SCR, Propeller Questions:
Safety Alert, Check your Flare Guns!
On the subject of Grey Market boats:
Green grounding wires:
Electrical do's and don'ts:
Maxum Gear For Sale:
Just ONE Position for Sports Yachts open:
4100 SCB
Master Mariners, Product Specialist, Chief of the Boat
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If you own a 4100 SCB and can help your fellow owners let us know.
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''Ordinary life is pretty complex stuff.''
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Gary Spaniak @ ibidamerica@msn.com
Writes:
Hi, I have a 1999 41 scr. still trying to get the right pitch on the
props. Do you think I should call Maxum, if so who. thanks
Regards Gary
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James Clausen @ BillEGates@aol.com
Replies:
Gary who?
What hull #?
What pitch do you have now?
What diameter?
Cup?
Speed now?
At what rpm?
Jim Clausen (I should have also asked, what engines)
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bl2a05mlf899
21"
22x22 cjr 4 blade 2"bore,no cup,nibral.
no cup
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20 knots at 2600 medium load, 2850 top
prior to taking the props in for reconditioning I got 23 knots at 3,000.
then I lost 5 knots and only got 18 knots at 2700. they redid it again and
now the above are my results. I think the previous owner may have had the
props redone and they may not have been stamped properly. any help you can
give would be appreciated. thanks
regards Gary
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1999 4100 SCR is specified with:
TWIN 330 HP CUMMINS V-DRIVE (ES5) Max WOT rated @ 2800 RPM
PROP,22X24X4,HS,LH,NI,2"X6",.75BAR
TWIN 370 CUMMINS V-D (EO9) Max WOT rated @ 3000 RPM
PROP,22X24X4,HS,LH,NI,2"X6",.75BAR
Gary, please verify what engines you have. But...
It sounds like the prop shop took off 2" off of the pitch, Jc
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370 cummins. thanks for the help. I will take this to the prop shop.
Regards Gary
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Maxum Owners Forum
Safety Alert, Check your Flare Guns!
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Maxum Owners Forum
On the subject of Grey Market boats
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Maxum Owners Forum
Green grounding wires:
Dear Jim,
A haunting question that I have not heard addressed deals with the grounding system that is used in our boats. So many of the solderless connectors that are used are open ended, thereby allowing moisture and corrosion to take place. Upon careful examination, most of the green grounding wires on my boat already are showing signs of oxidation.
Question #2: Should any tests be performed between the parts that are being protected to see if there is a high resistance?
Yes, Resistance between the part connected and the wire should not be over one ohm. It actually should be in the microhm region. But most measuring equipment you have won't measure readings that small. Corrosion block, new connectors, and new wire are all in order here. There are some new connectors with non corrosive gels inside the connection as well as heat shrink ends that might do well in these conditions. See the "Ancor" website for their new products. http://www.ancorproducts.com/
Question #3: Is the industry standard open for such connectors and grounding?
I am sure there must be, but I do not know it offhand.
Research follows:
ABYC section E9.17.12 deals with wiring connections and details that connections be made to withstand tensel force testing, (pull apart) but does not detail resistance testing.
Section E-2 deals with Cathodic Protection but does not cover wiring.
From ABYC Section E4 Lightning Protection, requirements for installation:
E4.7.2 Conductive Joints, (for lightning protection) conductive joints shall be made and supported in accordance with ABYC E9, DC electrical systems under 50 volts, and E4.7.2.1, shall have an electrical resistance not in excess of that of two feet (0.6m) of the smaller diameter conductor.
Question #4: What is the purpose for the grounding (all through hull fittings)?
1.- To bring the metal to a common electrical potential, for safety reasons.
2.- Lightning protection.
3.- To reduce the effects of galvanic corrosion by tying the underwater through hulls and under water metal to the boats sacrificial zinc system.
In addition, since the green bonding system uses #6 and #8 wire. You will need a crimper large enough to remake the connections. You won't find these in your typical marine store, although I feel personally feel you should be able to, after all they sell the lugs. You can use a Greenlee K2-1BGL or a Thomas and Betts ERG2007. If you've got more time than money you can check E-bay and pick one up for 1/2 price. Replace your corroded wire far enough back to get a good connection, corrosion block and then shrink wrap the splice. While you are looking at your bonding system check to insure that your rudder post is grounded, many of our boats were not. In your work, use ring terminals or captive spade terminals, and use ONLY marine grade green or green with yellow strip wire.
E8.15.19 Solder alone cannot be used as a connection on a boat, a mechanical connection, (crimp) must be used.
E8.15.11 Conductors must be supported every 18".
I await your response. Thanks for your help.
Ron Radford Cem1inc@aol.com
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Electrical Do's and Don'ts:
The following is not intended to make you fully versed with how to wire a boat. It is intended to let you know where to find some of the standards to which most boats are built. Further it will hopefully improve the way some of us wire our boats and point out why, in some cares it is done one way rather than another. The following text contain excepts from the 61 page section of the two inch thick ABYC standards manual.
Technical Data
Excerpts from ABYC Section E-11
AC and DC Electrical Systems on Boats
American Boat & Yacht Council Standards for Boats 7/2003
Based on ABYC's assessment of existing technology, and the problems associated with achieving the goals of this standard, ABYC recommends compliance with this standard (E-11) for all systems and associated equipment manufactured and/or installed after July 31 2004.
Conductors shall be at least 16 AWG (except 18 AWG may be used as internal wiring in panelboards, and on other specific exceptions). E11.16.1.1.2
(for DC systems) Conductors and flexible cords shall have a minimum rating of 50 volts. E11.16.1.2.1
(for AC systems) Conductors shall have a minimum rating of 600 volts. E11.16.1.3.1
(for AC systems) Flexible cords shall have a minimum rating of 300 volts. E11.16.1.3.1
Where AC and DC conductors are run together the AC conductors shall be sheathed, bundled, or otherwise kept separate from the DC conductors. E11.16.4.1.5
(for AC systems) In engine spaces, the temperature rating shall be at least 75°C dry, the insulation shall be oil resistant. E11.1.3.4
Wiring connections shall be designed and installed to make mechanical and electrical joints without damage to the conductors. E11.16.3.1
Ring and captive-spade type terminal connectors should be the same nominal size as the stud. E11.16.4.1.12
Twist-on connectors (wire nuts) shall not be used. E11.16.3.6
Metals used for the terminal studs should be corrosion resistant and galvanically compatible with the conductor and terminal lug. Aluminum and unplated shall not be used for studs, nuts and washers. E11.16.3.3
Solder shall not be the sole means of the mechanical connection in any circuit. (Exceptions are allowed in the standard.) E11.16.3.7
Current carrying conductors shall be routed as high as practicable above the bilge water level and other area where water may accumulate. If conductors must be routed in the bilge or other areas where water may accumulate, the wiring and connections shall be watertight. E11.164.1.7
No more than four conductors shall be secured to any one terminal stud. If additional connections are necessary, two or more terminal studs shall be connected together by means of jumpers or copper straps. E11.16.4.1.11
AL conductors shall be supported and/or clamped to relieve strain on connections. E11.16.4.1.4
Solderless crimp-on connectors shall be attached with the type of crimping tools designed for the connector used and which will produce a connection meeting the requirements of ABYC E11.16.3.3. E11.16.3.8
| Color | Use |
| Green, or Green w/yellow stripe(s) | DC Grounding conductor |
| Black or Yellow | DC Negative Conducors |
| Red | DC Positive Conductors |
| Color | Use |
| Black or Broun | Ungrounded Conductor |
| White, or Light Blue | Grounded Neutral Conductor |
| Green, Green W/Yellow Stripe | Grounding Conductor |
| Red, Orange, Blue | Additional Ungrounded Conductors |
| Black w/Red Stripe | Additional Colors for Ungrounded Conductors (Black) |
| Black w/Blue Stripe | |
| Black w/Orange Stripe |
| Color | Item | Use |
| Light Blue (Lt Bl) | Oil Pressure | Oil Pressure Sender to Gauge |
| Dark Blue | Cabin & Instrument | Fuse or Switch to Lights |
| Brown (Br) | Generator Armature | Generator Armature to Regulator |
| Alternator Charge Light | Generator Terminal or Alternator |
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| Auxiliary Terminal to Regulator | ||
| Pumps | Fuse or Switch to Pump | |
| Green/Stripe (G/x) (Except G/Y) | Tilt down or Trim in | Tilt and or Trim Circuits |
| Dark Grey (Gy) | Navigation Lights | Fuse or Switch to Lights |
| Tachometer | Tachometer Sender to Gauge | |
| Orange (O) | Accessory Feed | Ammeter to Alternator or |
| Generator Output and | ||
| Accessory Fuses or Switches | ||
| Common Feed | Distribution Panel to Accessory Switch | |
| Pink (Pk) | Fuel Gauge | Fuel Gauge Sender to Gauge |
| Purple (Pu) | Ignition | Ignition Switch to Coil & Electrical Instruments |
| Instrument Feed | Distribution Panel Electrical Instruments | |
| Tan | Water Temperature | Water Temperature Sender to Gauge |
| Blue/Stripe (BL/x) | Tilt up or Trim out | Tilt and/or Trim Circuits |
| Brown w/ Yellow Stripe (BY) or Yellow - see note |
Bilge Blowers | Fuse or Switch to Blower |
| Yellow w/ Red Stripe (YR) | Starting Circuit | Starting Switch to Solenoid |
Wire conductor size must be chosen with the use of the devise in mind and well as the run length and the routing of the wiring. Conductors used for electronic equipment, navigation lights or other circuits where voltage drop should be kept to a minimum shall be sized for a voltage drop not to exceed 3%. Conductors used for lighting (other than navigation lights) and other circuits where voltage drop in not critical may be sized for a voltage drop no to exceed 10% . Wiring that travels through the engine compartment must be further de-rated. Proper tables are in the ABYC manual and not inclued as part of this text.
The ABYC can be contacted at:
American Boat and Yacht Council, 3069 Solomans Island Rd, Edgewater, MD 21037.
And on the internet at http://www.abyc.org
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For Sale:
Boats...
Yes, you can list your boat for sale on the Maxum Owners Website, if you a paid member its free. Send me your description and particulars, photos if you have them or we can use stock photos.
Jim Clausen mailto:billegates@aol.com
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For Sale:
I have for sale a Bare Radar Wing that will fit a 1997 to 1998 Maxum 4600 SCB (probably up to a 2000) I am told that a new one would be in excess of $4,000.00 I am willing to sell it for $1,500.00
Contact Joseph Savione, POB 962 Gloversville NY 12078, ph 518-725-5145 salvione@salvione.com
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For Sale:
Radar Post:
SOLD
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